REGARDING MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE - 'IT WON'T BE MY FAULT, MA, IF MY CUTE GLOCK SPEAKS HIS MIND' - WTF

PREFACE

Democrats have won seven of the last eight presidential elections! (What does that tell one?) And, this blog is twelve (12) years old this Spring of 2021 ... it began with the 2009 first term of President Barack Obama. who was followed in 2016 by Donald Trump ((single term, two popular vote losses, and two impeachments.) In 2020, Joseph Biden, Obama's Vice President,  defeated Trump by a wide popular vote margin of more than seven million and an electoral college win by 306-232.  THINGS DID GO AROUND (to the Proud Boys, et al.)

--------- REGARDING MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE (R-Georgia, newly elected) -------

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, in a letter to folks back home after getting confused, homesick, and learning she is like a fish out of water in DC...while serving as a new Congressperson from Georgia: 

'Sometimes, Ma, that hard 'lil devil ( a going away Glock pistol) tucked in his cute leather on my hip just wants to jump right out and speak his mind to these liberals. I don't know how long I can keep the leash on him Ma, but it won't be my fault if he do.' 

Marjorie Taylor Greene claims mind-washing by the media led to her involvement in helping to incite the January 6, 2021, Capitol Hill insurrection attempt - “I was allowed to believe things that weren’t true” (Marjorie Taylor Greene).  Pericles21 attempts to delve further into Marjorie's angst with a  fictional 'note' to her mother expressing MTG's dislocation and itch to act out her confusion and anxiousness from being a strange-thinking Georgia gal in a strange land ... by letting her 'open-carry' pistol speak her anxiety:

Prior to and on January 6, 2021, Marjorie Taylor Greene (Representative, Dem-Georgia) added her voice to help incite the ultra-right Proud Boys (et al) to invade Capitol Hill Congressional Chambers and forcefully take possession of the official vote certificates submitted to Congress from the States. Basically, this was a planned insurrection.

But there was more to happen.  Along with that invasive act of insurrection, the Proud Boys planned to "grab" both Nancy Pelosi, the House Leader, and Vice President Mike Pence; thereby, in Proud Boy thinking (actually, Trump's since the Proud Boys could not think at that level) stopping the 2020 election confirmation process, and hopefully thrown the election into a state of limbo that would have theoretically opened the door for Trump, while still President until January 20, to declare a last-minute national emergency which could only be resolved if Trump stepped up to declare by technicality (the official vote documents couldn't be found) that the election was a failed process.... and therefore trump would assume 'emergency powers' until ....! 

That was a nice-sounding chain of events that apparently made sense to the Trump rioters. But, of course, after promising to be there with them, Trump cheered them on while from far away, he watched the invasion on TV, stuffing his face with popcorn and laughing at the Proud Boys with his buddies. Thereby, Trump's direct involvement was and remains deniable (as he hopes). 

So, Proud Boy chumps! You were tricked, as so many of you are now claiming in your court defenses (for insurrection against the United States government).  You should have known that such a brain fart was something Trump could dream up but never pull off ... without aid from patsies, you lot. 

But, a 'de facto' putsch nearly happened!  And tragically the invading ultra-right gangs injured over 100 Capitol police and seven others died (were 'killed', imho). A Pelosi-sponsored House investigation is underway with more than 500 arrested at this time.

Pericles21 commentary: Marjorie Taylor Greene's excuse for her support of the insurrectionists, that she was "allowed to believe things that weren’t true” sounds like a child's childish excuse given to her parents. Her excuse is hard to believe it was said by a Congressperson. And then, to top that, it was said by an adult, Congressperson or not. This says so much how far American TV mind-trap-for-profit has violated Freedom of Speech sensibility and bent the minds of so many Americans (close to 45% of voters no doubt are avid viewers of Fox News). 

But then, how can we accuse Ms. Greene of idiocy when media companies like Fox News are allowed to broadcast bald lies under the disguise of 'News' , without censure or advisory labels that what is being told to American audiences is known by the media corporation news desks themselves to be false. Yet when on the few times they have been called to account, all the 'Foxie' media have to do is say 'hey, we're just entertainers" and they walk away. 

Maybe Greene is just another example of how provincial backwoods America can be (Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, ..Mississippi..., you know, most of the former confederate states.) 

With the above background, Pericles21 felt it right to take a peek inside Marjorie Taylor Greene's rather mazelike mind to see what she might be thinking in her new gig as a Congressional Representative from Georgia. This is done reluctantly as MTG's mind seems to bounce around grabbing at half-thoughts here and there, but 'here goes':

A response to “I was allowed to believe things that weren’t true” - (Marjorie Taylor Greene]

'Hey, Mom and Dad, what's with the BS you guys fed me for all these years; here i am elected to go to Washington DC, and its a real punishement ...I just can't seem to fit in ... these people even believe in evolution . Whoever told them that. But, Ma, it turns out they're right. I even went to this big Museum and saw these old bones, 'dinasors' they call them and some of those bones came from around where we live but I was never told about that. Ma, I was told wrong about evolution ... and the 'N's..rs' walk around everywhere here like its nothing, and they're even around on the streets at night (tho back home, we told the Sheriff to be polite when advising lost 'N...r' travelers not to hang around town after dark ... you know for their own safety... we look after our 'Ns' , isnt that right, Ma? I dont know, Ma, I felt so proud to walk into work, that CONgress Hall, with my new boots and the kickn hard, snub lil' '38 you and Pa got me for going away...and then they told me to keep that at home ... Its hard and hurtn all over here Ma.    Sometimes, Ma, that hard 'lil devil tucked in his cute leather on my hip just wants to jump right out and speak his mind. I don't know how long I can keep the leash on him Ma, but it won't be my fault if he do step out on his own.'

From thePalmer Report: 

The bonkers unraveling of Marjorie Taylor Greene

Justin Hodges

SENATOR MITCH MCCONNELL TRAVESTIES HIMSELF FOR TRUMP, AGAIN - BY ENGINEERING A SENATE IMPEACHMENT ACQUITTAL

Former President Donald Trump recently escaped a second Senate impeachment trial conviction (February 13, 2021) mainly due to Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell's cowardly and Machiavellian plotting motivated to curry future support from Trump and his facist, violent, neo-Nazi base. (BEWARE, McConnell, Trump has no reciprocal sense of loyalty and you will live in real fear of his transactional, fickle, chaotic, paranoid mind-set  that can impromptu-ly unleash his armed henchmen upon your soul, home and family!)

(Does an image of the Hitler's 1930's 'Brown Shirts' come to mind? It should - one of Trump's few reading materials as an adult were 'Mein Kampf'' and "My New Order (Hitler's speeches)" which Trump reportedly kept by his bedside (according to an ex-wife)!). 

So, even though Trump lost the election and voted out of office, America faces another four years of Trump's sniping attacks on our leaders and democratic systems. (Furthermore and sadly, it seems Mitch McConnell's political 'skills' and expertise lie in dark, Machiavellian obstruction.)

And, as far as the Democrats are concerned, Trump's proxy, McConnell, will continue obstructing President Biden's work to save America from the Pandemic and economic collapse ... both the result of Trump's incompetence, self-agrandizing policies and treasonous complicity with America's declared state enemies.

This blogger views Trump's continued effect on the forthcoming years with a mix of foreboding and morbid curiosity. 

Just how frequent and damaging to our democracy and with what forms will Trump's psychotic ways dump more chaos and confusion onto America?  The answer is very likely, 'often and smelly', as Trump's style is about everything.

And what about Mitch McConnell? Will McConnell receive his anticipated rewards for his lickspittle loyalty to Trump in engineering the Senate trial's 'Acquittal-by-default?', the failure to convict by lack of a quorum majority? 

One feels that McConnell will not be rewarded to the extent he expects. But McConnell will survive politically because even Trump knows his interests are best served with a live lapdog than a powerless junior senator replacing a McConnell let lapse by Trump's vindictive urges.

But, though Trump will let McConnell survive, it will be just 'survival' in mental pergatory. The next years will not be a bed of roses for McConnell. Trump must now see McConnell for the servile 'nothing' McConnell truly is. And Trump will beat on and defile McConnell with scorn like a moldy old drum because Trump now knows McConnell is his 'bitch'.

This blogger sees a self-resurrecting Trump rewarding McConnell's lickspittle boot polishing with deserved scorn, not so much for McConnell cravenly saving Trump from a Senate conviction but mostly for the minor lapses in McConnell's total loyalty and subservience in the last 5 years.

'BEWARE' Mitch McConnell ... despite your eager knee-scraping to lap up Trump's disrespect and treating you like the servile puppet you are, Trump will 'engineer' ways to belittle and besmirch you, to spite and spit on you ... just because.' Enjoy Trump's hell, Mitch.

AND... behind the Senate's failure to convict Trump of impeachable misconduct as president, Trump's treasonous self-agrandizing acts against the Republic, we must address the glaring question: 'how is it that McConnell is the most powerful senior senator in America?', although he is a prime example of America's 'leak in the dam' of our form of democracy because he 'represents' the 7th most impoverished state in the nation with one of the least-educated and small populations? 

How can McConnell play a leading role for America from the context of representing one of the most demographically and economically marginal state 'anomalies', his home state of Kentucky? From that context, it seems McConnell hasn't a clue about the needs and path forward to a modernized, multi-cultural America with new industries and more jobs.

The answer to why McConnell has disproportional influence is America's 'leak-in-the-democracy' construction - seniority and no-term-limit rules ... which are employed to insincere unpatriotic advantage by the former Confederate states, with their race-based gerrymandering and other means of voter suppression.

McConnell, as a Senator of one of America's most impoverished, uneducated and nationally supported small states, surely can't have a clue about the needs and path forward for a modernized, multi-cultural America. 

McConnell doesnt have the home-state context and personal outlook to help formulate solutions for a future America with new industries and more jobs. 

(Again, sadly, it seems McConnell's chief self-serving, self-preserving political 'skills' and expertise lie in dark, Machiavellian obstruction.)

THE TRUMP YEARS: AN OVERVIEW (2/3) - LOOKING BACK TO 2016's PREDICTIONS IN PREPARATION TO DROP BOMBS IN 2021

GREEK CHORUS:      ("THINGS FELL APART AS ANTICIPATED ... to the base, you got what you bought: the pandemic, economic distress, 'royal' negligence, drama, grift, treason, lying, pandemic! The only missing element is the 'Oxy' - but wait! Hark! More's to come, Anon and Alas.  Cometh Majestic Biden with Seneschal Warrior Maid Harris accompanied by Warrior Chatelain-Seer Pelosi, Knights Schiff and stalwart companions, with ever in the wings the eyes of the 'Hall of Sir Roberts' and his fellow monks including the baneful orbs of Thomas and Alito with the darting glances from Gorsuch and Kavanaugh."). 

Note:  Perched Eye's Sept 28, 2016, operatic view of the coming Trump disaster: 

Election 2016: Trump as Performance: Operas Buffa and Tragedy ... Starring Villains and Buffoons, and Wolves and Lambs, and Despots and Martyrs.....

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It's now February 2021, and for twelve years (since 2009's Obama election), 'PerchedEye' has posted about American life, society, and politics.  

And now, in the midst of Trump's second impeachment trial (after a second House impeachment), ... for what appears to be many impeachable acts and precipitated events, it seems appropriate to repost our November 9, 2016, warning of dire consequences from Trump's presidency ( (Trump #2: Post Election Reaction - Recap, Views, and Predictions On A Trump Presidency).  

A Reminder:  PerchedEye's blog began with the 2009 first term of President Barack Obama who was followed in 2016 by Donald Trump ((single term, two popular vote losses, and two impeachments.) In 2020, Joseph Biden, Obama's Vice President,  defeated Trump by a broad popular vote margin of more than seven million and an electoral college win by 306-232.  Right after Trump's 2016 election win, PerchedEye started out trying to be unbiased but with the 'warning' to Trump's supporters that they bore the weight of a possible disaster that could harm themselves (Election 2016: Trump #1, A "COMMON GOOD" Plan - A Proposed Domestic Priority Plan for Trump's Presidency, November 9, 2016 ).  

Note addendum:   Including Hillary Clinton's 2016 popular vote 'win' over Trump, Democrats have won the popular vote in seven of the last eight presidential elections since 1992 ... but by electoral college count wound up President in only 6. In other words, Republicans LOST the popular vote in 7 of the last 8 elections since 1992! (Get it?)

GREEK CHORUS:      "THINGS FELL APART AS ANTICIPATED ... to the base, you got what you bought: the pandemic, economic distress, 'royal' negligence, drama, grift, treason, lying, pandemic! The only missing element is the 'Oxy' - but wait! Hark! More's to come, Anon and Alas)"

-----    PERCHED EYE'S  NOVEMBER 9, 2016 WARNING ABOUT TRUMP DISASTER ---

Wednesday, November 9, 2016

Trump #2: Post Election Reaction - Recap, Views and Predictions On A Trump Presidency

"A FUTURE SOMETIME: America will eventually cross the thresh hold and become a post-racial, economic egalitarian democracy upholding the original theme of the Common Good. Maybe not for a generation but eventually.

This Blog, "The Perched Eye", was begun in 2009 when President Barack Obama was about to be inaugurated. With apologies, 2009 was the first time this author paid close attention to the intricacies of American national politics... although in the 70's and 80's and 90's, it was impossible not to be swept into the political dramas around Vietnam, Watergate, the Reagen-Air Controller battle, and the opening of the Mid-East conflicts in Iran and Iraq.

Now, America's political arena has opened with a new production, the Trump presidency. 

Here are some views from 'The Perched Eye' about last night's election of Donald Trump to be the 45th president of the United States (and may God bless us all):

1. THE NEXT 4 YEARS?. ??? Who knows. Let's hope something is done for the COMMON GOOD.

2. 'CODED LANGUAGE' - appears to work (the Base seems to have arisen by sub-liminal code words and images).

3. ENERGY will draw tears. The Base's kids will drown in petro-pollution and suffer generations of genetic damage.

4. CLIMATE CHANGE. Ignored by both candidates and will continue to be swept under the rug by the petro lobby.

5. IT'S ALL A SHOW, so grab a large supply of popcorn, buy a wide-screen and settle in for 4 years of TV carnival.

6. REMORSE. Coulda', mighta', O-me-o-mya'. Move on!  

7. HILLARY DID WIN, goals were largely met...except the other side, unexpectedly even by them, met theirs more.

8. TRUMP BOUGHT A RIDE ON A WILD BRONCO - he did not sweep the election', more the truth he was 'swept in' by a rogue tidal wave. Big difference - 'to do' or 'be done to'...who's in control?

9. MIGHTA'S. 'Bernie and Warren', or 'Warren and Biden' or any pairing not including Hillary mighta' won, maybe.

10. "BEWARE THE TIDAL WAVE EBBING" should be posted as a banner over President Trump's Oval Office desk.      'What goes around, comes around'.

11. TRUMP WAS (IS) A TOOL (the 'Trumpet') - of grass roots disaffection, disappointment, with the status quo in DC.

12. A TOOL OF HIS BASE, Trump should be careful to watch his step - he's in a cage full of 'angry'.

13. POSITIVES - several of his prior negatives: 

Nobody's 'Boy'. Nobody's, Base;

'Cowboy', 'Gunslinger': his actions may be erratic, impromptu, "off-script". You bought it, Base;

Internationally (Russia, China) - now America has a despot just like them. Good or bad, who knows, Putin?

14. PREDICTIONS. 

SURPRISES!!;

DISAPPOINTMENTS (Roll-backs - Roe, HealthCare, Education, Social Security, Energy, climate change...lot's of stuff the Base didn't understand...);

'RUSTY NAIL'- not good for anyone, it scrapes and infects;

COMMON GOOD - if he follows this path, he doesn't have to favor any group, race, nationality or religion - he might be enough of a maverick to carry this off;

'TRUMP THE OPERA'. (Seriously), comedy or tragedy, or both (my bet) give it 10-18 months.

15. AMERICA WILL GO ONWARD...but it will not be smooth.  

A FUTURE SOMETIME: America will eventually cross the thresh hold of post-racial, economic egality, and the Common Good. Maybe not for a generation but eventually.

--------------- --------- -----------------     FINIS ACT 1!   (departing Chorus chants over shoulders)-----                                                                                   

"THINGS FELL APART AS FORESEEN! ... to the base, you got what you bought: the pandemic, economic distress, 'royal' negligence, drama, grift, treason, lying, pandemic! The only missing element is the 'Oxy' - but wait! Hark! More's to come, Anon and Alas.  Cometh the purge, the scourge, ...the bailiff?"

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CAN'T TAKE MUCH MORE WITH THE POLITICS THING? KELLY, THE COCKATOO KNOWS HOW YOU FEEL ... OH YES!

 Kelly the Cockatoo really gets what a lot of us are feeling about post-election Trump antics. Why won't the f..r go away nicely? Speak to us, Kelly, in the way you do! We get ya!

THE TRUMP YEARS - AN OVERVIEW (1/3)

This blog will be twelve (12) years old this Spring 2021 ... it began with the 2009 first term of President Barack Obama. President Obama was followed in 2016 by Donald Trump (a single term). Trump lost a try at a second term in the 2020 election to Joseph Biden, Obama's Vice President. (Sigh of relief ... Trump is gone!) 

NOTE: Democrats have won the popular vote in seven of the last eight presidential elections since 1992!

Perhaps the most significant aspect of those twelve years was the opportunity to compare two presidents of historical significance and of radically contrasting executive styles. Obama is the first president of color (Africa-American) and Trump is a businessman elected in hopes of applying business management and economics to solve some of America's challenges in the face of the global economy and domestic needs. (Trump failed in both respects.)

To this blogger, the best summary of the past 3 terms of American presidencies is the great exhale of held breath since Donald Trump became President. The last four years have been a day-to-day test of one's sanity in the face of Trump's seemingly ever-full bag of chaos and confusion which he threw widely and at any target that struck his fancy.

Now, under the Biden presidency, America can go forward under experienced, competent, and stable leadership.

This is this blogger's summary of what was actually going on under Trump. The details will be revealed in time. 

First, was Trump a traitor or, somewhat naively, just a Russian intelligence asset-in-place? (This blogger wrote in May 2016, before the following November election, that Trump had already committed "treason" with Russia.) 

Second, was/is Trump wealthy or simply agile with shady accounting, gangster accomplices, faked financial forms, complicit bank executives ... i.e.,  actually a con-artist? (This blogger has consistently favored 'con artist'.)

Third, was/is Trump a racist, misogynist wreck of a man.  We saw evidently that Trump has always been both.

In any case, Trump's policy decisions seemed guided by two consistent themes - what was good for Putin, Russia's leader, and what was good for lining the personal pockets of Trump and his family. Two simple and straightforward guides that seemed always accurate interpreters of Trump's actions and thoughts while President. He really was just a simple guy, after all. But a businessman he was and is not. Trump is more of an out-of-his-depth, 'Mom-and-Pop' corner grocery store single proprietor who can barely find his way o get his next fast-food burger (to which he is addicted). This is not intended to be funny, it is the truth about Trumps as far as we know or can politely speak on.

However, again, here we are this day relieved with the 'Fact' that Trump was voted out of office and America is free to go forward. and recover its sanity.

WHAT LIES AHEAD FROM THE TRUMP DEBACLE?

Today, Pericles21 wrote a comment on John Amato’s Nov 27, 2020, ‘Crooks and Liars’ article on the future political effect of the 2020 election and was drawn back in memory to the honor of sitting in a small group college seminar listening to Hannah Arendt’s impromptu explorations on human vulnerability to authoritarianism manipulations and specifically on the rise and inhuman atrocities of 1930s-40s totalitarian Nazism (The Origins of Talitarianism, H. Arendt, 1951).  (The remarkable thing about Hannah Arendt is that her explorations, though not satisfying to everyone, were in my opinion 100 percent sincere ... one could tell by her visible pain in attempting, again, after no doubt many such presentations, to express ‘The Answer’, and we still haven’t figured this out.) Although Arendt’s thoughts, explorations and writings did not ‘close the book’ on authoritarianism, Arendt did leave vital ‘thought equipment’ outlining a path to frame, ‘see’ and describe how the human conditions leading to ‘modern’ authoritarian leadership and excesses (such as Trumpism’?). 

One feels that Hannah Arendt would be saddened but perhaps in a resigned yet ever hopeful way not shocked, that her musings and writings on authoritarianism continue to be sought out and critically pertinent after nearly a century ... and raise the same questions in current times! 

In his article referred to above, John Am@to asks ‘what did we learn from the rise, four years of the atrump ‘presidency’ and  the recent election details?  And, ‘can we prevent a future Trump?’ 

One answer, if not the most at-fault agent, is the pernicious effect of deliberate misinformation spread by profit-focused media outlets such as Fox News and similar right-wing outlets. But, in this blogger’s view, is this a too simple jand too quick jump to hand out ‘blame’ ... no matter how satisfying that might feel?  Does such an ‘easy’ labeling actually help create an opposite atmosphere of fear of expressing opinions, i.e., an equivalent misdeed?  

And an important corollary question is, ‘who will be the judge of media boundaries?’ 

Here is Pericles21’s comment on the John Amato article:

“Newsmax CEO Admits Airing Conspiracy Theories As News”  (John Amato, Crooks and Liars, Nov 27, 2020):

Pericles21: “We must be careful of capricious and dangerous censorship, I.e., ‘What is, or is not, News?’ And ‘who or what entity shall judge on that question?’  Why can’t we simply rely on the robustness of American ‘freedom of the press’? Hmmm ... but that ‘freedom’ got us Fox ‘News’, and Trump, didn’t it!!”  

 There is no doubt, in the minds of the majority of American voters (an excess of 7 million votes over Trump voters in 2020) that Trump and Trumpism was a bullet that America blessedly dodged ... and actually dodged back in 2016 when Hillary Clinton won the majority vote. How Hillary won but still ‘lost’ her election must be answered and preventive, but equitable, measures designed and implemented ... such as finally removing or neutralizing the Electoral College.

 

 

ARE WE SEEING AN ‘AMY CONEY BARRETT SCOTUS REGRESSIVE EFFECT’ ON THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY?

Is this a sign of movement toward a conservative regression?

BACKGROUND: 

A November 20, 2020, article cites a Boca Raton, Florida (of course) federal appeals court repeal (2-1) of a ban on gay conversion therapy as a “violation of First Amendment right to free speech”. Both majority judges are Trump appointees.  This repeal struck this blogger as a not-just-coincidental indication that the recent addition of ‘originalist’, Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court might encourage lower court conservative judges to begin to dismantle the gains made by the LGBTQ community. It is very pertinent that the arguments for recognizing gay conversion therapy were robed in religious costume: 

The therapists said their clients typically had "sincerely held religious beliefs conflicting with homosexuality," and sought counseling to conform their identities and behaviors with those beliefs.

TO THE POINT:

This blogger references back the warning of October 19, 2020, (AMY CONEY BARRETT ‘S ‘ORIGINALISM’ WILL PUSH AMERICA BACK TO 1800s VICTORIANISM) noting the potential dangers to social balance and gains made by the American LGBTQ community, from her views expressed in the US Senate hearings on her nomination to the US Supreme Court, the now SCOTUS Associate Justice, Amy Coney Barrett, described the LGBTQ community as essentially a lifestyle of “sexual preference”, a statement which this blogger challenged as being “scientifically invalid”, harmful to members of that community and potentially opening the door to re-activate the  false notions and marketing of so-called “conversion” therapies. This is supported by a brief look at the following excerpts from the Wikipedia article on conversion therapy:

the advancement of conversion therapy may cause social harm by disseminating unscientific views about sexual orientation.^[10] 

And, 

In 2001, United States Surgeon General David Satcher issued a report stating that "there is no valid scientific evidence that sexual orientation can be changed".^[15]”

Further, the same article gives examples of some of the torturing, so-called conversion ‘therapies’:

Techniques used in conversion therapy in the United States and Western Europe have included ice-pick lobotomies;^{[3][4][16][17][18][19]} chemical castration with hormonal treatment;^[20] aversive treatments, such as "the application of electric shock to the hands and/or genitals"; "nausea-inducing drugs ...

Currently, the invalid concept of sexuality as a preference or choice ... or at least a reparable state of mind has created a new type of charlatan, the spiritual interventionist and psychoanalytic ‘reconditionist’ - both are newer faces of the same old ‘snake oil’ industry, and still owe their existence to the false description of sexuality as a “preference” (ala Amy Coney Barrett): 

The point being made here is that ‘sexuality as a choice or preference’ is scientifically debunked and harmful.  

But we shall see if Judge Barrett can evolve in breadth and wisdom under her new, national, diversity accountability to a nation of real and broadly diverse  peoples.